2013. i'm harris faulkner. we have had a lot happening this hour. appreciate your time. stay where you are because in seven seconds there is huckabee and at 11:30 p.m. eastern, and on the west coast, red eye. >> tonight, on huckabee. >> >> we should be doing everything we can as a country to create more good jobs that pay good wages. period. >> the president talks a good talk, but what's the truth about today's job market? >> i have been long time unemployed for four years. >> i have never been unemployed, this is the first time. >> 100 resume might get one interview. >> it's depressing and it's deceiving and it's humiliating. >> tonight, the real unemployment numbers and the real stories behind them. and. >> having the freedom to start your own business because you know you will be able to get healthcare. that's about jobs. >> is it about jobs? small business owners say
obama care makes it impossible for them to hire. >> the more dollars you take out of the owner's pocket, the less money you have to reinvest into the company. >> plus, want a solid well-paying career? dirty jobs host mike recess learn a blue collar trade. tointd tonight, on a special huckabee, where is my jobs. >> ladies and gentlemen, governor mike huckabee. [cheers and applause] >> governor huckabee: thank you, thank you very much. and welcome to a special edition of huckabee. where is my job? well, for man's begins as recorded in the book of genesis, we were hard-wired for work. we were told by god wield earn our bread by the sweat of our brow. it's natural for us to want to prove our value by producing. from the time we are children, we imitate our
parents in their work whether it's the little boy who tries to take tools to fix something or the little girl who begs to help her mother in the kitchen. it's just part of our dna to want to be grown up and one sure way to feel grown up is to work. that's why the loss of a job is far, far more than just an economic set back for a human being. it's dehumanizing to want to be productive and not be able to acquire meaningful labor. there is pride. there is dignity in being able to sit at the table and eat a meal that your work provided. but in our current economy, a record number of americans are either unemployed, or under employed. meaning that the job they have is either part time or it pays less than what's required to meet basic necessities. in 2011, the centers for disease control and prevention reported on the suicide rate from 1928 all the way to 2007.
suicide rates mirrored the economy in the ups and downs with a big up tick when the great depression began and hitting a screen mitt in 1933. suicide rates plunged during world war ii. then they spiked again in the recessions of the mid 70s and early 80's. peaking a few years after unemployment hit its post war peak in 1982. suicides drop to their lowest levels ever in the year 2000. when technology was on fire. unemployment was at a stunning 4% at the time. but as the.com bubble america's suicide rate has been climbing. all of that is a stark issue is that the jobs issue is not only an economic issue, it is more than that it is an issue that gets to the very soul of our culture and its people. joblessness results in either people giving up in despair or rising up in defiance. of course, both parties claim to be all about jobs.
>> as you know, house republicans have been focused on economic growth and jobs since day one. >> a three letter word. jobs. j-o-b-s. jobs. >> governor huckabee: thank you, joe. [ laughter ] but the truth is jobs isn't created so much when the government does something as he they are in the government stops doing things that put an anchor instead of a life vest around the necks of entrepreneurs. we hear a lot about values, but do we value the work and the people who do it? if so, we ought to pay them as if we do value both them and their work. companies ought to pay employees as generously as they can because good workers have worth. now, if the employer keeps too much for himself, he or she doesn't really value the worker. and, by the way, the reason that high taxes are are bad is because it's a sign that
the government disrespects the worker by believing what it's going to do with the workers' salary is better than what the person who earned it will do. when we see employees as having worth, we will see their work as having value. that's the value of work. now, i believe you are valuable. and, therefore, what you do has value. the president spent some time pushing some job killing obama care, money wasting crony capital investment boondoggles like is solyndra and side issues like free birth control, same sex marriage and late term abortion. joe biden might not be able to count to 4. [ laughter ] but he is at least right about what we ought to be focused on. >> three letter word, jobs. j-o-b-s. jobs. [ laughter ] >> governor huckabee: thank you, joe. on friday the labor department released the latest jobs figures. american employers added 162,000 jobs in the month
of july. unemployment rate was lowered to 4 and a half year low to 7.4%. my first guest says those numbers just don't add up. the government figures don't really reveal the full truth about the job situation in america. joining me is the former head of the bureau of labor statistics, keith hall. keith, it's great to have you here today. [applause] >> good to be with you. >> well, friday, we got those new numbers. 7.6 to 7.4. what's not to love, keith? >> well, first of all, that unemployment rate is the most closely watched economic statistic there is. and, unfortunately, that's gotten to a very flawed statistic. the reason is to be included as in the unemployment race, you need fullback completely jobless, no job of any sort, no pay. and, second, you have to be active. you have to be doing certain things to be considered unemployed as oppose god just jobless. in particularly, particularly you need to be conducting interviews.
you need to be sending out resumes, things like that. and in reality, what happens, is when people are unemployed for a long time, at some point, they get tired of looking. and they go into a passive mode. they have sent out resumes to everybody they can think of. they have talked to all their friends, but when they go into that passive mode the government stops counting them. they stop being counted in the unemployment rate. a lot of what has happened the unemployment rate since the end of the recession about four years ago has cropped not really because people have gotten employed people are moving from unemployed to just jobless. >> governor huckabee: the fnt page of the "wall street journal" this week has low paid clouds job growth. what are the real numbers that we should be looking at, keith, when it comes to the unemployment figure? >> well, the number i think is most important right now and it's also really important in determining income growth and tax revenue and how many people are on welfare is something simple. it's something called the
employment rate. it's the share of the working age population with a job. now, right now that number is very low. it's about 58.7%. and the problem with that, of course, is that when the recession started, that was up to be about 63%. when the recession ended, that had fallen all the way from 63 to 59.4%. but, since then, in this four years of recovery, that number has only gone down. it's actually declined over time. so, for any sort of progress in recovery, that's the number that has to go up. you have to have a bigger share of your population with work and that's just not happening. >> governor huckabee: keith, how many of those people considered employed only working a few hours of a week, not full time, maybe part time maybe even a fraction of the time that they really need to be working to make ends meet? there is certainly people under employed in a number of ways. about 20% of people unemployed now are part timers. and, that's rather a lot.
that number is much bigger than it was before the recession started. and so they are just considered the unemployment rate as being employed. it doesn't matter how many hours. and that's a problem. and, of course, there is a second thing is do worker skills match the jobs they are in? if you have got somebody who has a lot of of experience, a lot of skills who is now in a job right now that's inappropriate for them, they are simply counted as employed and not part of the statistics. >> governor huckabee: keith, i appreciate you being here. keith will join us later in the show. we will keep him around for a while. tam member are a holder says the job outlook is bright. she says the president is helping job growth. i can't wait to discuss that. [ laughter ] we're going to hear from measures who are either unemployed or under employed. they are desperate to find work. you will meet them as well. brac. >> i would like to hear from you, go to my web site, mike huckabee.com. tell me what you think from the lead feedback section or sign up for facebook page or follow me on twitter. you can find a link to that
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thank you for joining us. joining me now is fox news contributor tamera holder. tamera says the president is making progress when the president is creating jobs. tamera you will have to convince me. i'm maybe not seeing ethanol singing everything is coming up roses right now. >> no. i think all americans, on the left and the right, agree that we have seen a
stagnant economy. we have seen very slow growth. it's definitely not what president obama hoped and dreamed. it's not what the average american hoped and dreamed about. but, it's slow. it is stagnant. he prevented a huge depression. and i'm not going to go back to well, bush started it kind of thing. >> governor huckabee: you will will not? this is the first time i didn't hear a liberal blame bush for it we are making progress, tamera. [ applause ] >> can i blame bush on other things if you want to get me started. but i think that everybody is discouraged. the upon is that republicans are obstructionists. and instead of talking about -- stead of talking about how do we get more americans back to work, we are seeing them how do we cut food stamps. every person on food stamps is just a welfare lazy recipient. that's not the case. the people that are on food stamps are hard-working people making minimum wage jobs or doing minimum wage jobs. >> under employed and they
need it to support their family. >> governor huckabee: i wouldn't even argue. i think a lot of people are on government assistance out of necessity. that is not an argument you have with me. >> why does your government want to cut? >> governor huckabee: i can't answer to everybody in the party. you are talking to me. not to the people in d.c. ohio think at times are as out of touch as obama is. understand that. >> so it is both sides. >> harris: it is both sides it, is the president's policies making it very difficult for business owners to make long-term plans that tax consequences, 20 taxes in obama characterization 16 already in effect. the fact that the payroll tax went back up. those are real issues that cush people from curb people have from hiring. if they are as good as they say they are why haven't they resulted and the stimulus package, why hasn't it resulted in something than this very anemic recovery? >> it isn't the president's policies that is the problem. part of the problem but corporation's behaviors. we have seen mcdonald's.
dominoes, all of these major corporations paying people lesser wages and seeing profits. we just saw in the news this past week that mcdonald's posted second quarter profits again. we are seeing. >> governor huckabee: would it be better if they were losing money? would you be happier? [ applause ] >> no, i think that. [ applause ] >> no, no, no. i think if a company makes money then they should reward the people that are helping them make the money, the workers. the companies making the money because the guy standing at the cash register is selling the burgers to the drive-thru customer. >> governor huckabee: you know he what i wish every company could pay more. what if they can't pay more because of the cost of their doing business and the cost of what their business is going to be in the next quarter is such they can't continue to do it. let's face it it, a lot of companies i know you may not understand but they have investors and if they don't return something to the investors, the investors don't invest and the company goes out of business and everyone loses a job. i'm not defending low pay because i think people should pay good money for the jobs they do.
that's what i just said in the monologue. what i want to specifically ask you to explain to me is how come it is that the obama policies have not resulted in anything other than a massive downturn in full time employment. we have a part time nation now. >> this is typical republican scare tactics. massive downturn. there is no massive downturn here. we have seen a slow growth. we have seen and i agree that the numbers aren't necessarily that great. when you see he front page of mother jones of all publications saying that the numbers are deceptive, you know, we all see it on both sides of the fence. but the point is that we're at a time now where there is a the love instability whether you talk to somebody on wall street or you talk to economists or talk to people on the left and right. and we need to keep going at a pace of investing in our workers. and how do we do that? i agree with cutting corporate taxes and cutting small business owner's
taxes. >> that's a part. >> i have missed that part of his policy. we will bring you back at the end of the show. [ applause ] >> governor huckabee: so will dirty jobs host mike roe. he will be talking about the value of blue collar jobs. small business owners tell us why the president's policies are keeping them from hiring anybody. we'll be right back. [ applause ] [ male announcer ] these days, a small business can save by sharing. like carpools... polly wants to know if we can pick her up. yeah, we can make room. yeah.
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kind of response are you getting? >> well, first of all, sometimes it doesn't even go there. with the first interview they don't talk about benefits. they say left are provided but don't necessarily say what kind of benefits. i don't necessarily bring that up nor do they bring that conversation up. >> governor huckabee: i hope things get better for you. i know your situation is like that of so many people in the country interest tri desperately looking for work. obviously you are willing to take some cuts from what you have had but you still have to be able to live. we wish you very well, christinena, thank you. >> thank you. >> well, we are joint now by a couple of small business owners, they want to grow their businesses, they would like to hire more employees but they can't. we have talked to them in the past, they have both been on our show. we are happy to have them back. william march and gina martin owner of little rock tours. great to have both of you guys back. >> thank you. gina, let me start with you, because when we were talking with you before, the last time you were on our show, you were telling
us how that obama care was very complicated, making this difficult for you to know if you got to that 50 level of employees that was going to throw you into a whole new realm. have things simplified? gotten better? are they still confusing to you? >> well, they are still confusing for sure. they aren't any better. and simply because here we sit again, we know we have that one year extension that has happened since the last time we spoke. but, really, things are not any better. we are still faced with just enormous cost increases for providing the healthcare that we provide. so we are really having to look at decisions in our business to see do we even continue to pay the healthcare coverage with the employee that we pay it for now. because not only is healthcare insurance going up, the regulations are going up. the unemployment taxes are going up. disability is going up. every single aspect of what we do keeps going up and
up. >> governor huckabee: here is what i find interesting. the affordable healthcare act supposed to make it more affordable and accessible. your employees were already getting healthcare. now they are threatened with not getting it at all because the cost of the affordable care is unaffordable. do i get that right? >> exactly right. [ applause ] [ applause ] it kind of goes against what is supposed to be happening. william, when you were here before, you talked about the challenges that you face. you have a smaller company, handful of employees. how does the current policies of the government, whether it's obama care or tax policies, how does that keep you from growing? >> well, you hit the nail on the head, governor. you said this affordable care act was supposed to, quote: bend the cost curve down. my health insurance agent came into my office about a week ago and said in 2014 when obama care is instituted, you should expect your rates to go up 40 to 50%. 40 to 50% after we have
seen successive insecrecies year on year of 10 or 15%. the fact is the affordable care act is nothing of the sort. it's totally unaffordable. furthermore, what's going to happen in small businesses like mine adoes the country is the rates are going to become totally unaffordable. and at that point employers will no longer offer health benefits. when that happens, employees can be effectively thrown to the curve, joined into the obama care arrangement. the cost of obama care will balloon. what you are seeing today in the unaffordability of the plan is really just the first wave of a tidal wave that's going to hit american business. when you ask what we are doing about it, we are keeping our heads down and helmets on because to try to understand what kind of operational environment we are going to have in several years' time is impossible. and my job is to make sure that my men are employed. that food is on their table, that their mortgages are being paid. and i can't risk that
future for them and for me and for my family when the future is so terribly uncertain. so that's -- >> governor huckabee: i hear both of you saying although you are providing healthcare for your employees it may get to the place are with you no longer do that it would be less expensive for you to pay the penalty. that would be a lot less expensive for you. then, when you do that your employees still are required by law to go out and find healthcare, which is going to be a whole lot more expensive for them. how does this helpful to your business and to your employees? >> this isn't helpful at all. not only that i would have to say the timing of this is awful. we are all seeing and william and i were talking back stage we were talking about all the increased regulations on top of the health care, the timing couldn't be worse and i would also like to say that i hear a lot well corporations are greedy. and i want to make it clear this is not about greed for most businesses.
about survival. it gets down to you have only so much money. you have to allocate what you want to do with that money. if you you throw it into healthcare you don't have a business. these are the choices we are faced with. >> governor huckabee: in the little tim bit of time we have left i want you to both tell me if you anticipate you will hire more people over the next 12 to 15 months. will you let go some people because you can't afford them anymore or are you hoping to hang on to what you have got, william? >> well, we are not looking to hire in this environment. the market. >> governor huckabee: is it the market? would you be hiring. >> the opportunity for american manufacturing right now sun believable. if you look at the natural resources at our disposal, the growth and the global economy, the innovation, history in america, our human capital, american manufacturing has a once in lifetime opportunity to expand and to once again dominate the world. and it breaks my heart that at 40 years old a relatively young business owner, my outlook on the future is not what it should be.
>> >> governor huckabee: gina, what about you, real quickly. >> you have the fire in the belly if you are an entrepreneur as it is. i would say that the opportunities with our business and growth, they have certainly been stimied areas ago especially with this administration there is so much uncertainty out there. we never know what's coming down the pike, we don't know with the healthcare increases and everything else what we're going to do. and right now what we're looking to do really and you have heard this allot is increase your, you know, decrease your cost by actually turning your full time workers into part time workers. so, that's one of the things that we have thought about doing with our business. and we really are are looking at whether or not certain positions within our company are necessary because it's a fight for survival. goff gof we'll keep in touch with both of you. appreciated your being back today. william, thank you. all right. if you want a good paying job, what about getting a job that gets your hands dirty?
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that one that i mentioned is west of grealey, the one that we think may have done some damage. the national weather service is issuing a severe thunderstorm and tornado warning for parts of colorado to go on through the evening. the agency is warning people to take people immediately. some areas in the midwest seeing intense wind and hail at times, even as large as tennis balls. america on high alert. no doubt you know about this because of the terror threat. top lawmakers say is real. u.s. embassies and consulates in egypt, yemen and jordan on the list. and it is sunday already already there the day that this was supposed to start this threat. just moments ago, reuters reporting that the white house has said the national security advisor susan rice has led a top meeting on the issue. now huckabee. [ applause ] >> governor huckabee: max weaverman graduated cornell engineering with a degree in 2008. then he got a master's degrees in economics and engineering in 2012.
his education makes him idea candidate for the green energy job that the obama administration has been promoting. but five years on he still can't find a job that matches his education. max, we hear about a lot of green jobs. you have been five years out there beating the pavement. have you thought about relocating maybe to houston or oklahoma city where the oil and gas jobs are? is that something you have even looked at? >> i have thought about it and i have exercised on it. i have sent out my resume to people in california, texas, canada, overseas, too. i have had my ears to the ground. it's the same story wherever i go. it's always we respect your education. it sounds great on paper, but we're just not hiring anybody for your position right now. and it baffles me because everybody has told me for years whether it was my family, friends, advisors in school, professors, that i'm on the right track and everything is going well. and the government wants to support me but it's the same story everywhere i go. i just can't find the jobs. they say it's not there for
you. >> you have got two prestigious degrees from a prestigious university. what are you doing right no. >> right now i'm working for an energy company that helps people save money on their building costs. so, portfolio managers, building owners right now. but it's low grade and i want to expand. i want to get something better. frankly, mike, i want to make the salary that i know i can live off more comfortably and live off of to enrich my own life. that's not something i'm doing right now. again, i have been looking and it's just not happening for me. >> maybe being on this show you will get a call. >> why not? >> hey beings marks. >> maybe that guy. >> we will talk to mike. maybe he has got something tore but. >> i'm hiring. >> governor huckabee: thank you, max. nice to have you here. did a great job. maybe an expensive college degree isn't always the best path. a lot of young people ought to consider a career in skilled labor now you know mike row is the host of the discovery hit show dirty
jobs. mike also has a foundation called mike row works that helps young people train for well-paying jobs in skilled labor. mike, it is real publish having you here. >> nice to be here. [ applause ] >> you're talking about something, mike that is near and deer dear to my heart. that is that a college degree is not always the ticket to a good career. and, yet, we are told that, you know, if you go to college, you're going to be able to get a good job and make a lot of money. >> look, it's a difficult thing to talk about because the minute you take a position that's cob temporary in the prevailing narrative. you are see seen as antit all knowledge comes from college, all right? there is a. [ applause ] >> it's so easy too, i think, to confuse, you know, the cause of a thing with the symptom of a thing. and a lot of things that we talk about today, a lot of the headlines from the skills gap to unemployment, to currency devaluation to
the changing face of the modern day proly proly tear i can't tell. on dirty jobs we saw it it again and again and again. people were continually surprised to see how happy were the people that we met and to see how prosperous they were. there is a chronology in all things and college, look, i wouldn't trade my degree, but, when i got out of high school, i didn't know what i wanted to do. i went to a community college, i spent two and a half years at, what, 40 bucks a credit. so you can afford to fail. trying to figure out -- trying to figure out what it is i wanted to do with the useful part of my career. and it took a while to sort it out. but i feel lucky because i did it in the right order. i never took on any debt. and, in the end, i'm okay. [ laughter ] >> governor huckabee: there is a poster. [ applause ] >> a poster you saw i think in high school guidance.
we have a the oshot of it i want to show it? >> that's what i meant when i was talking about cause vs. symptoms. this is the worst piece of advice i ever got. when i was a senior mr. dunbar my guidance counselor asked me down to talk my b. future. i did pretty good on my exams. i told him the story i just told you he pointed to that poster and says which one of these guys do you want to be? of course if you see the caption on the bottom that sums it up, work smart, not hard. that's where that old chestnut began. and that poster was part of an early college recruitment campaign. now, on my web site we have redone the poster work smart and hard. >> let's see what it looks like. there it. >> it is what it is is we are challenging people to get those hung in classrooms around the country. the arguments are really simple. if you are a society that really took the advice of work smart, not hard. if you really do believe you can separate hard work from success, then a lot of
the things that we're dealing with right now start to make sense. i don't want to sound like somebody is angry uncle on the porch screaming at kids to get off the lawn, look, i don't care if you work for mcdonalds or for women's company who was just out here, if you show up early, if you stay late and if you volunteer for the hard stuff, you are going to run are. you are going to run that organization before too long. we just don't talk about that gof goff that is such an important piece of advice. we have almost diminished the importance of people who work with their hans, i value that when i'm sitting on an airplane and it has a mechanical problem. you know, i'm much more excited to ian a and p certified mechanic than a history major come clear that airplane that job can't be outsourced. if you need a plumber, you can't outsource your toilet, send it to china and have them send it back. >> you can but it's very expensive, mike. [ laughter ] >> it's very expensive. it's not about this is bad
or this is good. this is a stills gap. all right? something the bls at the top of the show was really interesting. it's another inconvenient piece of the narrative that nobody ever talks about. there are 3 million jobs available right now. company cans like caterpillar are struggling to find, for instance, heavy equipment mechanics. these are good jobs. okay? >> governor huckabee: what do they pay. >> if i had 40s and with a couple years of experience 120, 130 a year. >> governor huckabee: do you have an application with you? [ laughter ] >> it's simply a question of what do we value? what do we celebrate? it's like manufacturing. if you look at detroit and consider all the times that went wrong, for me, it just starts with our relationship with that which we make. our relationship with with making things. you know, and we're just missing the headline in the conversation over and over and over. >> governor huckabee: if you had a piece of advice that you could give to the president and to congress, what would you tell him? >> look, first of all, i'm
not an expert. i would never want to put myself out there as one. i would say the rally of the situation right now, vis-a-vis alternative education. we have to make a case for the trades. we have to start with an awareness campaign, a public relations campaign that challenges perceptions and stigmas. 3 million shovel ready jobs you remember from four or five years ago, it's a great idea but i had a dirty jobber tell me when that was announced look that's going to be a tough sale because you are talking to a country that no longer has a relationship with a shovel. you have got to start at the beginning. and so i would say let's maybe step back a little bit and have a broader conversation. i would say $1 trillion in student loans is no joke. and i would conclude by saying that we are lending money we don't have to kids who can't pay it back to train them for jobs that no longer exist. that's nuts. >> governor huckabee: you know what, mike, that's common sense. that's why michael is going to stay with us. after the break, we are going to bring some of our
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search finally took a minimum wage part-time job at a fast food restaurant working only 20 hours a week. she is it now on strike and shield like to unionize. stefanie, how would the union. >> hello, governor. >> governor huckabee: in the fast food arena, how would that help you, do you believe? >> everything is power of numbers. you know, if i was to go it my boss or the corporation on my own with a problem, i wouldn't get anything done versus going through a union and having a union behind me, i think that the outcome would be much more successful. >> sometimes the union dues become very expensive. would you lose more than you might gain if if you you go from 7.725 an hour but to $8 an hour but the union wages or union dues cost you? >> no, i don't think i would. because i you know, it all falls back on if i get $8 an hour, that would be a start that would be more than 7.25 and i would be
able to live comfortably. stefa nie, i hope you do well. it's a tough break to lose the job that was paying you better than what you are doing now. i appreciate you being here and sharing your story and your progressive. >> thank you. joini ng me again is mike row. tamara holder is back and keith roe is back. let's address the issue. is unionization of fast food workers, is that viable tamara? >> absolutely. >> governor huckabee: you think it is. >> absolutely. because this is an industry that has a very high turnover and we're seeing so many workers like stefanie herself who are going to fast food places because they have nowhere else to turn. and they are taking whatever job they can. but we're also seeing a -- they are paying people just barely above minimum wage. and these are people 46% of these people are age 21 to 35.
they have families. they have kids. they need to pay for more than just whatever $8.95 an hour can pay for. >> miking is the unionization of the fast food worker does that help them or does it people them out of business or raise their prices so high that they can't afford to go there. >> honestly it's a bit above my pay grade but what's interesting to me is, look, the union conversation is about the relationship between the worker and the boss: the conversation that i'm personally obsessed with is about the relationship between a few hundred million americans and work. work and labor are different things. and i think it's really easy to talk about two different things accidentally at the same time when you talk about this story and the topic that we were just talking about. which one informs the other, right? i wish her well, too. i mean, honestly, my liberal friends and my conservative friends all
seem to want the same thing. whether the issue is rent control, unionization, minimum wage, they just disagree on what's the symptom and what's the cause. that is still missing from the conversation. that's a long way of saying. >> not talking about protection of workers. and, governor huckabee, i have worked with unions, i have represented railroad workers who were fired in the name of homeland security and they had to go to their unions to get their protection from their employers. and so i understand what personally as working with people why the unions are important. back in the day unions were created because of poor work place conditions. we don't really have that anymore. now we are talking about a different form of protection, healthcare, whether or not you like obama care, health care, these are things that workers need and want. >> governor huckabee: the unions are totally disenchanted with obama care. james' letter was scathing that he wrote to the president. >> i didn't defend obama
care. let me make it clear. my statement did not defend obama care. what unions do is protect workers and make sure they have proper healthcare. what person in this audience? who doesn't want healthcare from an employer? who doesn't want protection? [ laughter ] >> personally, unless it was rhetorical question. i don't expect the person who hires me to take care of me in every aspect of my life. [ applause ] that's just me. >> governor huckabee: as a self-employed person i expect my employer to take care of that but i'm self-employed. >> i'm a small business owner and i pay my own health insurance. >> governor huckabee: i want to bring keith in on this. help us understand this isn't something that is just about numbers and figures, it's about real people with some real hurt in their lives. but it does get to the point of what is a better answer than asking the government to come in and demand certain things? is there a market solution? or do we have to wait for
the government to come in and order people to treat their employees right? >> well, not the right way to get things done to get higher wages. you want higher wages because businesses are growing and they want to hire people and they have to pay them more to get good people on, on board. the story that we just heard, the problem i see is not that she doesn't get paid more, at a fast food place is that she lost a job to begin with and had to retreat to a fast food job. to the point about work ethic and et cetera, and fast food, right now, we are at an all-time low with teenagers, about 25% of teenagers have work right now. that's an all-time low. and that's typically been where fast food workers come from. if we have got three quarters of our teenagers not working and not having any work experience, when they head into their working age, that's a problem. >> governor huckabee: mike, i want to address something, mcdonald's takes a lot of heat for low
paying job working at mcdonald's. my son worked at mcdonald's when he was in high school. i will tell you something, mcdonald's was a good place to work. he learned when to show up, he learned discipline. there was a very strict order of was a very strict ordf doing things, and the management that oversaw his production frankly was a very important part of teaching some of the fundamentals. now, he's still not working at mcdonald's, but you know what? i was not the least bit ashamed and neither was he that he had the job. >> people talk about the skills gap but the thing they don't talk about because it's awkward and potentially touchy very soft skills. show up on time, you tuck your shirt in, you know. it's so fundamental. look. i've been really lucky in my own life. every single person i talk to,
it's hard to find people who are hungry, eager, and attitude, attitude, attitude. >> you're shaking your head. >> i worked at mcdonald's when i was a junior in high school. i worked there, did not like it. i wanted something better for myself and i understand what fast food does for you and your psyche and all of your skills but this is the most disgusting argument that you should take a low wage job. well, where are you going to go? you can either stay in this nice house with me and you have no skills and you can stay here. you have a bed and, you know, food, water, but because you can't leave this abusive relationship, where are you going to go? you can't go out to some shelter, you're homeless without me. so we can pay you nothing. we can pay you absolutely nothing. >> you're missing what mike said and what i agree with. if you're better in that low skill job as anyone around you,
you won't stay in that low skill job. you'll move up. >> 2.2% of the jobs at mcdonalds are managerial. they're all low worker, low wage jobs. >> we're out of time unfortunately. i'll treat you all to a big mac after the show. coming up, i've got some closing thoughts. stay with us.pool .. polly wants to know if we can pick her up. yeah, we can make room. yeah. [ male announcer ] ...office space. yes, we're loving this communal seating. it's great. [ male announcer ] the best thing to share? a data plan. at&t mobile share for business. one bucket of data for everyone on the plan, unlimited talk and text on smart phones. now, everyone's in the spirit of sharing. hey, can i borrow your boat this weekend? no. [ male announcer ] share more. save more. at&t mobile share for business. ♪ it guides you to a number that will change your it guides you to a number life: your sleep number setting. it even knows you by name. now it's easier than ever to experience deep,
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job, even a menial one, far below my capacity, i'm not sure i could handle it. i would probably go door to door offering to sweep porch ts, rake leaves just to be dog something. i work so long i don't know how to not work. it's one reason they think the highest urgency of our government is the creating of opportunity so people can work. a job is not just how we put bread on our stable. it's how we put life and hope into our soul. that's our show for tonight. hope you enjoyed being here. from new york, mike huckabee. good night and god bless. [ male announcer ] come to the lexus
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